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    Digital Distribution Platforms?? - What happened since 2013? (dormant gamer question)

    I remember when gaming was simple: you used Steam. Sometimes a hard copy of the game, and if you were into Battlefield you maybe used Origin.

    Now there's tonnes, and Steam seems like a bunch of crappy indy games only? and there's Epic, and Origin has heaps but you need to subscribe?

    What's happened? Where do I go for solid deals on recent games like Witcher 3, GTA 5, Project Cars, Dirt, CoD, etc?

    Regards,
    Very lost dormant gamer

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    https://isthereanydeal.com/ can be handy. Good to check out if you're after a particular game. Otherwise I just browse for deals on Humble Store, Greenman Gaming, Epic, Steam etc.
    Keep an eye on Epic Games Store, free games up for grabs every week.

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    Have you considered console games? It's sounds like that may be more your style

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    That looks fairly handy. I guess the other thing I am super not used to is all this DLC / Season Pass crap. Like can you not just drop 50 or less bucks on a game and just play it anymore?!
    I'm looking at Assassins Creed Odyssey, and it seems like it costs over 100 NZD before you have much, then there's hundreds of dollars more for ingame currency etc? What has happened to this industry

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    SirGrim wrote:
    Have you considered console games? It's sounds like that may be more your style
    Nice gate-keeping... I have done that a bit too, but I miss the feeling of having the availability of mods (and just better graphics etc)

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    Yep that's modern gaming! AC Odyssey is an interesting example - there's a ton of content in the base game and that's what I opted to play. However, it is one of the few games I finished then considered buying a season pass for the DLC. I haven't yet - waiting for a good deal. The other option is waiting for a year-ish and getting the (usually) inevitable "game of the year" edition with the DLC included.

    It's frustrating, but I've come around to accepting that AAA games cost a hell of a lot more to create these days and publishers are exploring different ways to recoup costs/make profit. One thing I will not do is buy in-game currency. I hate that.

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    Caffeine wrote:
    Yep that's modern gaming!
    - AAA games cost a hell of a lot more to create these days
    - in-game currency = bad!
    Yeah - that's a fair summation of the current state of PC gaming. I'll be selective which titles to play. Would you recommend AC-Odyssey? I haven't played anything since Black Flag.

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    I can't remember the last time I purchased a game from Steam. I seem to purchase all my PC games from Greenman Gaming.

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    scythe_metal wrote:
    Yeah - that's a fair summation of the current state of PC gaming. I'll be selective which titles to play. Would you recommend AC-Odyssey? I haven't played anything since Black Flag.
    I would recommend it. Origins was a step up on the old formula, but Odyssey really hit the sweet spot for me. I reckon it is the best AC since Black Flag.

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    Steam - probably the biggest library, but rarely has decent deals these days (summer sale/holiday sales are almost universally disappointing). That being said, you can buy steam keys from official resellers e.g. Green Man Gaming, Humble Store or unofficial resellers (Kinguin - some bargains here, but buyer beware).

    Origin - EA stuff is exclusively here. Hasn't really changed much, it does the job but only just.

    Uplay - Ubisoft stuff is mostly here (some content is available elsewhere). Universally shit

    Epic - The one that people like to complain about. Decent free games, if you want to play new Epic games on release (e.g. Borderlands 3) then you need this, otherwise you'll wait 6 months for the steam release.

    There are some others - GOG Galaxy springs to mind (retro PC games, often has free content) and the Humble Store has a distribution platform of some sort (Humble Monthly is a pretty good deal actually).

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    Install Augmented Steam browser plugin. It brings several several useful features to Steam and hooks into sites like Isthereanydeal, PC Gaming Wiki, Howlongtobeat.
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...-an-itad-fork/
    https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...ojghhmaamnnfp/

    Isthereanydeal is great for shopping for deals, especially considering that they're still jacking up local prices on AAA releases.

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    Depends on the title but i use GOG whenever i can even if its a little more expensive. No clients, no DRM and rather support them a company i respect.

    Steam is like google now, a bloated mess compared to what i used to be.

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    Basically every company and their dog has their own distribution service now. Most of them are terrible, and most of them lock their companies games to said distribution service. Epic Games in particular has tried to aggressively claim monopoly by throwing their money around, buying out exclusives, even forcing croudfunded titles where a Steam key was a promise of the campaign to launch on their store first with a timed exclusivity period (usually 1 year). Epic then LIKES to claim they're doing it for good and wholesome reasons, but the mental gymnastics required to link their argument to their actions is, in one word, staggering.

    Some AAA games have gotten egregious with their monetization. The new release Ghost Recon Breakpoint is a wonderful example of this, the $60 USD base game is essentially a heavily cut down 'starter edition', the ultimate edition ($120 USD. Yep.) is what SHOULD have been the base product, and then the game is absolutely DROWNED in every kind of monetization you can think of. Loot boxes, season passes, DLC, microtransactions, you can literally buy basically everything in the game for real money (including pay to level your character up on launch, but they removed this one thing due to backlash) and the best part is they made the game repetitive and grindy to try and encourage people to spend. To quote Jim Sterling (from memory, not verbatim); "If a game sells you time-savers, ... it's admitting it's a bad game, because it's admitting that there's a monetary value on playing the game less." and this game sells them to you in absolute cargo ship loads. Other games have LITERALLY included real money gambling in their games. 2K's latest NBA game offers slot machines you can play with real money to unlock in-game rewards, and GTA V just launched a casino where you can effectively purchase chips with real money.

    With reference to the above, game publishers are under significant scrutiny for their behavior with a number of countries already outright banning the practices (Belgium comes to mind) and with others seeking to adjust existing laws to take video games into consideration (UK, for instance). Currently, bodies such as PEGI are rating games with outright hostile microtransactions as "suitable for all ages" where the content of the game permits and showing absolutely no initiative in perhaps considering monetization as a factor in their decision.

    There's a lot more than just that going on in the gaming industry right now, and almost all of it is bad and only set to get far worse. It's a dire state of affairs afforded to us by sheer greed and a massive lack of conscience by those responsible. Hopefully the above fills you in on what's what because it's less "what's happened" and more "what's happening". It's a constantly evolving shitstorm that's liable to get far worse before it gets any better.

    On a side note, shout out to GOG and their Galaxy Launcher 2.0. If all the different distribution platforms is confusing, simply install this client, connect it to your accounts and it'll pool almost all of your games from various different places into a singular unified library. It'll even launch games from a number of the launchers. It's not perfect, but it's also entirely optional for users of GOG and only seeks to make life easier for those who elect to use it - it's a wholesome piece of software for sure.

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    Well what happened was Steam sales meant people would just wait for sales.

    So the industry worked out that splitting releases between clients and adding a delay delays sales. You can easily double dip if you release on console first.

    Step 1 - Release on console.
    Step 2 - Wait a year to sell it twice.
    Step 3 - Release on shit PC launchers no one wants to use.
    Step 4 - Wait even more time because it is beneficial for you to do so.
    Step 5 - Release on the PC launcher everyone actually wants it on.

    Well done. You have staved off selling your product on a sale for at least two years and sold your product possibly twice.
    Cool and normal incoming industry standard. Boy I am thankful for the competition everyone desired.

    Where do you go for solid deals? At release of a game and within said timeframe absolutely nowhere. You get proper ****ed like everyone else.
    Last edited by TemptedNZ; 14th October 2019 at 8:42 am.

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    ^^ Good point - I've certainly noticed fewer sales and the quality of sale prices has massively dropped in the last couple years.

    I can't help but feel that going forward, looking for the best possible deal means having to sign up to several monthly subscriptions like gamepass.

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    TemptedNZ wrote:

    Well done. You have staved off selling your product on a sale for at least two years and sold your product possibly twice.
    Cool and normal incoming industry standard. Boy I am thankful for the competition everyone desired.

    Where do you go for solid deals? At release of a game and within said timeframe absolutely nowhere. You get proper ****ed like everyone else.
    Mostly applicable just for AAA (and for indies who want to kill the long term viability of their businesses by taking Epic bribe cheques for easy money now). AAA games are increasingly shit so not much is lost.

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    EvaUnit02 wrote:
    Mostly applicable just for AAA (and for indies who want to kill the long term viability of their businesses by taking Epic bribe cheques for easy money now). AAA games are increasingly shit so not much is lost.
    Correct. The bigger the game the safer those steps are.

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    We have to realise that businesses get more clever every year at exploiting those last few dollars. In no small part, we allow this, as the consumer right? I am very guilty too. Every Rockstar game since GTA IV, I have pre-ordered on whatever console, then on PC. Hence the reason I am getting back into PC now - just to play RDR2 with slightly better graphics haha. (and hopefully someone will start releasing some beautiful mods before next winter gaming season... I'm thinking an off road motorbike within the game?! Why not!).

    Here's another funny tidbit: Go to log into my socialclub rockstar account (the old one that has GTA 5 on it) been hacked by some russian dude and sold on to someone else. I reached out to Rockstar. They helped me get it back. But damn, that happened right under my nose back in 2013, and I didn't even notice!!!? What a noob. Set up 2-step verification now, so hopefully that helps.

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    Rii wrote:
    I can't remember the last time I purchased a game from Steam. I seem to purchase all my PC games from Greenman Gaming.
    GMG is my first stop as well then if I can't a key I'll check through the other stores.