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    Christ, harden up you blokes. grow a pair, taking 52 is a boody laugh, ABs have decent breaks between tests & we still have another 15 days before we play Aussie in Japan & also play the Japanese over there too... recently we beat the Argies in Argentia, then a week later beat a very good Boks team in South Africa at altitude where at the 50 to 60th minute mark the lungs really start to burn, so it's definitely easier to play lowly ranked Japan team, then a week later go to England where you don't have to worry about altitude.

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    DOGZILLA wrote:
    They setup for the drop goal, TJ said they took the option to run because they saw the number advantage. This has already been covered. Hansen already covered the drop goal also.
    What they said afterwards means stuff all, the fact is we have a clear weakness when it comes to taking drop kicks at goal, that's on the coaching staff & players to prepare well for that type of situation... the Boks would've almost back-heeled that droppie over seriously though we all know how good the Boks are at excuting those type of kicks, they wouldn't of hesitated & easily slotted over that very short range droppie in front of the posts.

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    It isn't about hardening up, it's about the fact they think it's better for the teams success against England to get there early and prepare than be playing Japan while at the same time giving an opportunity for depth players, like Lam. This is another one of those simple concepts that goes over your head. It isn't ridiculous, it makes complete sense you are just too thick to figure it out. You can't move past the sensationalist headlines and you lack the ability to understand why the team is doing this so you just plug your fingers in your ears, shout ridiculous and cotton wool.

    What they said afterwards matters because it explains why they made the decision and what they'll do going forward rather than just constantly moaning over what has happened like you do.
    Last edited by DOGZILLA; 12th October 2018 at 9:58 am.

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    24 hours on and it's still going!

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    The Boks used to be good slotting drop goals. When was the last time you saw them nail one? They don't anymore. One of those myths that seems to persist.

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    He's senile remember, something that happened 20 years ago, he probably thinks happened yesterday.

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    DOGZILLA wrote:
    It isn't about hardening up, it's about the fact they think it's better for the teams success against England to get there early and prepare than be playing Japan while at the same time giving an opportunity for depth players, like Lam. This is another one of those simple concepts that goes over your head. It isn't ridiculous, it makes complete sense you are just too thick to figure it out. You can't move past the sensationalist headlines and you lack the ability to understand why the team is doing this so you just plug your fingers in your ears, shout ridiculous and cotton wool.
    Teams are use to the travel factor, obviously we have massive depth & don't need 51 on tour, by taking that many he's way over protecting his top players, it's amazing how many of you have got sucked into some of this Hansen bullshit.

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    This is from 1 hour ago, hope this clears things up...

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    Just scrolled through so much bullshit and didn't read any of it. Cut it out you knobs

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    DOGZILLA wrote:
    What they said afterwards matters because it explains why they made the decision and what they'll do going forward rather than just constantly moaning over what has happened like you do.
    Here's a prime example where you lack insight... in this case Hansen & his staff didn't do their job properly, if they had would've had their 10's & fullbacks executing heaps of drop kicks at goal at training, if you don't practice something over & over again you're not going to be much chop at it, if they were well prepared to take that vital droppie in wgtn they would have definitely had the skill, confidence & composer to nail it pretty easily & lets be honest it was gift droppie.

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    signman wrote:
    Teams are use to the travel factor, obviously we have massive depth & don't need 51 on tour, by taking that many he's way over protecting his top players, it's amazing how many of you have got sucked into some of this Hansen bullshit.
    Again, there isn't 51 on tour. 32 go to Europe. 19 go to play the Japan leg. How many times must this be explained to you before it gets through to you? A separate split squad just goes to Japan for that game. That is there purpose, to play the Japan game because we have more important shit to do than piss around in a meaningless game with a second tier team that our reserves can handle and benefit from. The top All Blacks gain nothing from playing Japan.

    If we sent the "New Zealand B team" to play Japan, while the All Blacks were on their EOYT, you probably wouldn't be having such a ****ing moan about it. You may even think it's good for our depth players to get an opportunity to play an international game in the country where the world cup is. Surprise, this is actually exactly what is happening.

    Would you really be crying so much over New Zealand B playing a game? You'll say yes because you're so stubborn.

    It isn't about protecting the players. It's about the players getting to the UK sooner to prepare for the England test and at the same time giving some extra opportunity to other players. This has already been explained to you also. They aren't hiding the top players from Japan for protection lol. As above, Hansen thinks this gives them the best chance to prepare for those tests, and, there's promo shit they have to do in England too.

    This can't be dumbed down any further for you. This is such an incredibly simple thing to comprehend, I'm literally confused how you're struggling with this.
    Last edited by DOGZILLA; 12th October 2018 at 3:26 pm.

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    signman wrote:
    Here's a prime example where you lack insight... in this case Hansen & his staff didn't do their job properly, if they had would've had their 10's & fullbacks executing heaps of drop kicks at goal at training, if you don't practice something over & over again you're not going to be much chop at it, if they were well prepared to take that vital droppie in wgtn they would have definitely had the skill, confidence & composer to nail it pretty easily & lets be honest it was gift droppie.
    You don't know that they weren't executing drop goals at training lol.

    They literally setup to take the drop goal, TJ saw an option, they took that instead.

    Please bring something new to the table instead of going over shit that was hashed out a while ago now.

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    ludez wrote:
    Just scrolled through so much bullshit and didn't read any of it. Cut it out you knobs
    We are at least discussing Rugby while you're just chiming in to insult people?

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    You should know its in jest mate.
    DOGZILLA wrote:
    We are at least discussing Rugby while you're just chiming in to insult people?

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    Why are we still talking about that drop goal? Who gives a shit.
    They saw a chance to go for the try and the failed. There's only tears about the drop goal because we didn't score the try when usually we would. Now suddenly Hansen and the coaching staff have failed because we don't execute enough drop goal drills at training? Classic signman.

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    WeenieBeenie wrote:
    Why are we still talking about that drop goal? Who gives a shit.
    They saw a chance to go for the try and the failed. There's only tears about the drop goal because we didn't score the try when usually we would. Now suddenly Hansen and the coaching staff have failed because we don't execute enough drop goal drills at training? Classic signman.
    Typical WeenieBeenie reply, It's nothing to do with us not scoring the try so we should've taken the droppie type of stuff, it's about taking the best option available & that was a gift drop kick in front of the posts.

    Any good coach should have a plan in place for any game situation, when scores are very close near the end the drop kick is one of the better options to have to win the match.

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    I agree with signman about the drop goal. That said, Hansen has conceded that they should have taken it and that they made an error in judgement. I am not sure what else we can want from Hansen. The only concern was TJ insisting it was the right option the next day on the NZ herald web site. But TJ is not the coach so presumably he got corrected behind closed doors.

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    Forwards:

    Hookers
    Dane Coles (31, Wellington, 56)
    Nathan Harris (26, Bay of Plenty, 1
    Codie Taylor (27, Canterbury, 3

    Props
    Owen Franks (30, Canterbury, 103)
    Nepo Laulala (27, Counties Manukau, 13)
    Joe Moody (30, Canterbury, 36)
    Karl Tu’inukuafe (25, North Harbour, 9)
    Ofa Tuungafasi (26, Auckland, 22)

    Locks
    Scott Barrett (23, Taranaki, 14)
    Brodie Retallick (27, Hawke’s Bay, 71)
    Patrick Tuipulotu (25, Auckland, 19)
    Samuel Whitelock (30, Canterbury, 105)

    Loose Forwards
    Vaea Fifita (26, Wellington, 7)
    Dalton Papalii (21, Auckland, uncapped)
    Kieran Read, captain (32, Counties Manukau, 114)
    Ardie Savea (25, Wellington, 31)
    Liam Squire (27, Tasman, 20)
    Matt Todd (30, Canterbury, 14)

    Backs:

    Halfbacks
    TJ Perenara (26, Wellington, 51)
    Aaron Smith (28, Manawatu, 79)
    Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi (23, Taranaki, 1)

    First five–eighths
    Beauden Barrett (27, Taranaki, 69)
    Damian McKenzie (23, Waikato, 19)
    Richie Mo’unga (24, Canterbury, 4)

    Midfielders
    Ryan Crotty (30, Canterbury, 41)
    Jack Goodhue (23, Northland, 5)
    Anton Lienert-Brown (23, Waikato, 30)
    Sonny Bill Williams (33, Counties Manukau, 49)

    Outside backs
    Jordie Barrett (21, Taranaki, 7)
    Rieko Ioane (21, Auckland, 20)
    Waisake Naholo (27, Taranaki, 24)
    Ben Smith (32, Otago, 73)



    Forwards:

    Hookers
    Asafo Aumua (20, Wellington, uncapped, two non-Tests)
    Liam Coltman (28, Otago, 3)

    Props
    Tyrel Lomax (22, Tasman, uncapped)
    Reuben O’Neill (23, Taranaki, uncapped)
    Tim Perry (29, Tasman, 5)
    Angus Ta’avao (28, Taranaki, 1)

    Locks
    Luke Romano (32, Canterbury, 31)

    Loose Forwards
    Jackson Hemopo (24, Manawatu, 2)
    Gareth Evans (27, Hawke’s Bay, uncapped)
    Dillon Hunt (23, North Harbour, uncapped, one non-Test)
    Luke Whitelock (27, Canterbury, 6)

    Backs:

    Halfbacks
    Mitchell Drummond (24, Canterbury, uncapped, one non-Test)
    Bryn Hall (26, North Harbour, uncapped)

    First five–eighths
    Brett Cameron (21, Canterbury, uncapped)

    Midfielders
    Ngani Laumape (25, Manawatu,
    Matt Proctor (25, Wellington, uncapped)

    Outside backs
    George Bridge (23, Canterbury, uncapped)
    David Havili (23, Tasman, 3)
    Nehe Milner-Skudder (27, Manawatu, 12)

    Signman going to erupt that Lam isn't there lol. Pretty surprised as well, but then you see guys like Bridge and Havili coming in, so much depth.

    Crazy that we can name 51 guys and guys like Akira and Lam aren't there.

    Evans ftw.

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    My god that front row depth... Do they scrum against each other in practice?

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    Would rather have Lam, Alaimalo or Jordan than Havili and Miler-Skudder.

    Does that mean these guys aren't available for NPC finals?

    Main 32 to be expected, excited for Dalton Papalii - kid is a gun.

    How does Nathan Harris keep getting a gig over Coltman (or Ricitelli, Aumua)?

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    Also no Frizzell - injured? Good for Vaea but not having Vaea, Asafo and Matt Proctor for Wellington is a big loss

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    brand wrote:
    My god that front row depth... Do they scrum against each other in practice?
    Crazy how stacked it looks when you consider how few caps the front rowers have as well. It's only Franks and Coles that have a big number of caps really. Moody and Taylor getting there.

    Helps that Karl is a ****ing monster despite only playing 9 so far.

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    koldz wrote:
    Also no Frizzell - injured? Good for Vaea but not having Vaea, Asafo and Matt Proctor for Wellington is a big loss
    Yeah Friz is injured.

    Also it's same weekend as finals I think so yeah they'll be out.

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    George Bridge! Nice!

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    No akira wtf!